In part two of this interview, Jamal Alsaffar discusses the challenges and trial strategies involved in the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting case with host Amy Gunn. Alsaffar highlights the importance of empathy, sharing how he creatively used the courtroom’s layout to help the judge and others grasp the trauma experienced by the victims. He recounts the discovery of crucial evidence, including handwritten notes revealing the shooter’s extensive history of violent crimes and failed attempts to access military bases after discharge, arguing that the military’s negligence in reporting the shooter’s criminal history contributed to the tragedy. Alsaffar emphasizes the vital role of trial law in effecting change.

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